CAVE
Generation 2.
Cave Family Tree Diagram.Children of James Cave:
Thomas Cave (born 1779),
[husband of Mary Glover (1784 - ), daughter of Thomas Glover (1753 - ) and Ellen McCartey (1752 - ).]
Generation 3.
Cave Family Tree Diagram.Children of Thomas and Mary.
James Cave (1810 to 1863),
[baptised on 12th April 1810 at Childwall. Husband of Margaret Barton (1805-32), and then Eleanor (Ellen) Taggart (1807 to 1867), [daughter of Thomas Taggart].]
John Cave (1811 - ),[baptised on 28th July 1811 at Childwall.]
William Cave (1813 - ),[baptised on 13th June 1813 at Childwall.]
Jane Cave (1815 - ),[baptised on 9th July 1815 at Childwall.]
Ellen Cave (1818 - 1864),[born on 21st March 1818, baptised on 28th July 1818 at Childwall. Married to Henry Houghton (1815 - 1895) on 1st October 1837 at St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Children: Sarah (1837), Thomas (1839), Mary (1849), Emma (1852), Henry (1856). Ellen died in 1864 and was buried at Farnworth on 21st December 1864.]
William Cave (1820 - ),[born on 19th December 1820, baptised on 28th July 1821 at Childwall. 1st marriage: to Ellen Woods (1817-46) on 17th April 1842 at St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Children: Thomas (1843-61), John (1845). 2nd marriage: to Ellen Smith (1820) at St Silas, Liverpool. Children: Margaret (1857-57), William (1859-59), Mary Ellen (1862-62).]
Thomas Cave (1823 - ),[born on 11th August 1823, baptised on 7th September 1823 at Childwall.]
Mary Cave (1830 - 1855),[born on 5th January 1830, baptised on 21st February 1930 at Childwall. Married to Henry Green on 7th June 1846 at St Peter, Liverpool.
Their children: Thomas (1847), Elizabeth (1849), Ellen (1851, Stephen (1853). Mary was buried on 30th September 1855 in Childwall. Henry Green remarried to Margaret Pearson on 12th October 1860.
Generation 4.
Cave Family Tree Diagram.Children of James Cave and Margaret Barton:
Thomas Cave (1829 to 1885),
[husband of Anna Evans (1826 to 1871), [daughter of Peter Evans]; and then, Anna Jones (1846 - 1908), [daughter of John Jones].]
Martha Cave (1832 - ), [ born on 11th September 1832, baptised on 30th September 1832, married to Alfred Davoll in 1857. They emigrated to Australia but soon after arrival in Melbourne, Alfred died.
Martha married again, to Mr W. Potts, on 23rd July 1862 at Brighton, Melbourne.]
Mary Cave (1835 - ),[born on 21st February 1835, baptised on 22nd March 1835 at Childwall. Married Edward Jones (1837 - ) on 24th February 1857 at St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Their children: James (1857), Alfred (1860), Edward (1862), William Henry (1864), Margaret Ann (Mary) (1868).]
Children of James Cave and Eleanor Taggart:
We have not identified any children from James's second marriage.
Generation 5.
Children of Thomas Cave and Anna Evans:
Thomas Cave's first marriage.
Margaret Cave (1848 - ),
[born on 16th November 1848, baptised on 17th December 1848 at Childwall.]
Thomas Henry Cave (1850 - ),[born on 9th July 1850, baptised on 8th September 1850 at Childwall. Profession: printer. Married Elizabeth Jones on 7th August 1870 at St Peter, Liverpool. Died as a widower September Qtr 1911 in Mossley where he was a calico printer.]
Mary Anna Cave (1852 - ),[born on 27th July 1852, baptised on 5th September 1852 at Childwall.]
James Cave (1855 - ),[born on 13th November 1854, baptised on 31st December 1854 at St Mary, Bury. (Surname written in the register as Kay.)
Married Matilda Houghton Hinds in 1879. Children: William (1880), Alice (1882), Ada (1884), Charley (1888), Annie (1892), Harry (1894), Lena (1898), James (1900)]
William Cave (1858 - ),[born on 13th October 1858, baptised on 17th December 1848 at St Mary, Bury, Lancashire.]
John Cave (1861 - ),[born on 7th January 1861, baptised on 29th March 1861 at St Mary, Bury, Lancashire.]
Margaret Ann Cave (1862 - 1937),[born on 18th November 1862, baptised on 14th February 1863 at St Andrew, Toxteth Park. Married William Rimmer (1861 - 1933) on 3rd August 1884 at St Mary, Edge Hill, Liverpool.
Their children: Gertrude (1886 - ), William (1888 - ), Henry (1890 - ), Ethel (1892 - ), Arthur (1897 - 1898), Albert (1899 - ), John Arthur (1904 - ), Harold (1906 - ). Margaret Ann died in 1933.]
Martha Cave (1871 - 1919),[born on 20th June 1871, baptised on 20th August 1871 at St Peter, Liverpool. Married Charles Floyd (1867) on 11th October 1891 at St Peter, Liverpool.
Their children: Florence (1892 - ), Thomas (1893 - 1893), Albert William (1895 - ), Gertrude (1901 - ), Elizabeth Alice (1903 - ), Dora (1906 - 1907), Anna (1908 - ). Martha died in 1819. ]
Children of Thomas Cave and Anna Jones:
Thomas Cave's second marriage.
Elizabeth Cave (1873 - ),
[born on 30th April 1873, baptised on 13th July 1873 at St Peter, Liverpool. Married to George Henry Card on 13th April 1913 at St Nicholas, Liverpool.]
Albert Cave (1875 to 1936), [born on 12th January 1875, baptised on 14th February 1875 at St Peter, Liverpool; died, (accident at work), on 8th June 1936 in Mayfield, Newcastle, NSW Australia.]
Walter Cave (1877 to 1951),
[husband of Florence Wright (1884 to 1918) and then Margaret Hand (1883 to 1965). ]
Alexander Cave (1879 - 1891), [baptised on 22nd October 1879 at St James, Toxteth. ]
Herbert Cave (1882 - ), [birth registered in the last quarter of 1881 in Toxteth Park.]
Generation 6.
Walter Cave's family tree.Children of Walter Cave and Florence Wright:
Walter Cave (1908 - ).
Herbert Cave (1913 to 1917).
Albert Cave (1916 - ),
Herbert Cave (1913 to 1917).
Albert Cave (1916 - ),
[ married Madge M. M. T. Kenna (1923 - ), at Walton Parish Church in September 1943.]
Child of Margaret Hand before her marriage to Walter Cave:
George Hand (1905 to 1991).
Children of Walter Cave and Margaret Hand:
Further details of Chris's direct Cave ancestors
The following sections contain details transcribed from documents such as census, birth, marriage and death certificates, parish records, newspapers, etc.
Unless otherwise stated, we have transcribed directly from the original document or from a scanned or photographic image of the original document.
Unless otherwise stated, we have transcribed directly from the original document or from a scanned or photographic image of the original document.
Thomas Cave (1779 - ).
Cave family tree.In Brief:
In detail:
Birth and baptism:
From the baptism register:
Thomas was born on 6th November 1779 and baptised, son of James Cave, on 21st November 1779 at St Thomas, Liverpool.
Thomas was born on 6th November 1779 and baptised, son of James Cave, on 21st November 1779 at St Thomas, Liverpool.
Marriage:
St Peter, Liverpool.
Thomas Cave, of the parish of Liverpool, labourer and Mary Glover, of the same parish, spinster, were married in this church, by Banns, on 27th November 1809.
Witnesses - J. Woolley?, Ellen Farrington.
Witnesses - J. Woolley?, Ellen Farrington.
Thomas's children:
From parish records and bishop's transcripts.
James Cave (1810 to 1863),
[baptised on 12th April 1810 at Childwall. Husband of Margaret Barton, and then Eleanor (Ellen) Taggart (1807 to 1867), [daughter of Thomas Taggart].]
John Cave (1811 - ),[baptised on 28th July 1811 at Childwall.]
William Cave (1813 - ),[baptised on 13th June 1813 at Childwall.]
Jane Cave (1815 - ),[baptised on 9th July 1815 at Childwall.]
Ellen Cave (1818 - 1864),[born on 21st March 1818, baptised on 28th July 1818 at Childwall. Married to Henry Houghton (1815 - 1895) on 1st October 1837 at St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Children: Sarah (1837), Thomas (1839), Emma (1849), Mary (1849), Emma (1852), Henry (1856). Ellen died in 1864 and was buried at Farnworth on 21st December 1864.]
William Cave (1820 - ),[born on 19th December 1820, baptised on 28th July 1821 at Childwall. 1st marriage: to Ellen Woods (1817-46) on 17th April 1842 at St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Children: Thomas (1843-61), John (1845). 2nd marriage: to Ellen Smith (1820) at St Silas, Liverpool. Children: Margaret (1857-57), William (1859-59), Mary Ellen (1862-62).]
Thomas Cave (1823 - ),[born on 11th August 1823, baptised on 7th September 1823 at Childwall.]
Mary Cave (1830 - 1855),[born on 5th January 1830, baptised on 21st February 1930 at Childwall. Married to Henry Green on 7th June 1846 at St Peter, Liverpool.
Their children: Thomas (1847), Elizabeth (1849), Ellen (1851, Stephen (1853). Mary was buried on 30th September 1855 in Childwall. Henry Green remarried to Margaret Pearson on 12th October 1860.]
Thomas does not seem to have survived until 1841 but his wife Mary is found staying with their son, James, and his children:
1841 Census:
Halewood Green, Halewood, (Near Liverpool).
Link to Halewood Green at nls maps 
Google map showing Halewood Green
James Cave, age 31, Wheelwright.
Thomas Cave, age 11.
Martha Cave, age 8.
Mary Cave, age 6.
Ellen Cave, age 16.
Mary Cave, age 57.
Thomas Cave, age 11.
Martha Cave, age 8.
Mary Cave, age 6.
Ellen Cave, age 16.
Mary Cave, age 57.
Thomas's widow, Mary is now living with their youngest daughter, Mary, and husband Henry Green:
1851 census:
Hunts Cross Cottages, Much Woolton.
Henry Green, age 24, gardener, born Much Woolton.
Mary Green, age 21, born Little Woolton.
Thomas Green, age 4, born Little Woolton.
Elizabeth Green, age 1 year, born Little Woolton.
Ellen Green, age 1 month, born Much Woolton.
Mary Cave, widow, age 67, born Wavertree.
Mary Green, age 21, born Little Woolton.
Thomas Green, age 4, born Little Woolton.
Elizabeth Green, age 1 year, born Little Woolton.
Ellen Green, age 1 month, born Much Woolton.
Mary Cave, widow, age 67, born Wavertree.
Thomas's widow, Mary, appears again in 1861:
1861 Census:
High Street, Wavertree.
Link to High Street, Wavertree at nls maps
Google map showing High Street, Wavertree.
James Cave, age 51, Wheelwright, born Childwall.
Ellen Cave, age 52, born Isle of Man.
Mary Cave, (Mother), age 80, widow, born Lancashire, Wavertree.
Thomas Cave, servant, age 18, born Lancashire, Childwall.
also, at the same address:
Ellen Toben, lodger, age 29, born Ireland.
Eliza Gonshagen, servant, age 17, born Ireland.
William Anson, age 57, born Blackpool.
Ellen Cave, age 52, born Isle of Man.
Mary Cave, (Mother), age 80, widow, born Lancashire, Wavertree.
Thomas Cave, servant, age 18, born Lancashire, Childwall.
also, at the same address:
Ellen Toben, lodger, age 29, born Ireland.
Eliza Gonshagen, servant, age 17, born Ireland.
William Anson, age 57, born Blackpool.
James Cave (1810 to 1863).
Cave family tree.In Brief:
In detail:
Baptism:
James Cave was baptised on 12th April 1810 in the parish of Childwall.
James' first marriage:
St Peter, Liverpool.
James Cave of this parish, sawyer, and Margaret Barton, spinster, of this parish, were married in this church by Banns on 21st September 1828
Witnesses - James Robinson, Ellen Farrington
Witnesses - James Robinson, Ellen Farrington
Widowed:
Mary Cave of Halewood was buried, age 32, on 23rd April 1837 in the parish of Childwall.
1841 Census:
Halewood Green, Halewood, (Near Liverpool).
Link to Halewood Green at nls maps
Google map showing Halewood Green
James Cave, age 31, Wheelwright.
Thomas Cave, age 11.
Martha Cave, age 8.
Mary Cave, age 6.
Ellen cave, age 16.
Mary Cave, age 57.
Thomas Cave, age 11.
Martha Cave, age 8.
Mary Cave, age 6.
Ellen cave, age 16.
Mary Cave, age 57.
James' second marriage:
26th April 1843 at St Nicholas Church, Liverpool.
James Cave, of full age, widower, wheelwright, of Brownlow Street. Father: Thomas Cave, labourer.
Eleanor Taggart, of full age, spinster, of Brownlow Street. Father: Thomas Taggart, Tailor (or possibly sailor!).
Witnesses: John Lovatt, William Gladding.
Eleanor Taggart, of full age, spinster, of Brownlow Street. Father: Thomas Taggart, Tailor (or possibly sailor!).
Witnesses: John Lovatt, William Gladding.
1851 Census:
91 Village South, Wavertree.
James Cave, age 41, Master wheelwright employing 2 men, born Lancashire, Halewood.
Ellen Cave, age 44, born Isle of Man.
Mary Cave, daughter, age 16, domestic duties, born Lancashire, Halewood.
also, at the same address:
Ralph Brereton, lodger, age 15, apprentice cooper, birthplace not known.
Isabella Smith, age 33, Pawnbroker's wife, born Nottingham.
William A. Smith, age 3, born Liverpool.
Ann Hargreaves, general servant, born Lancashire, Kirkham.
Ellen Cave, age 44, born Isle of Man.
Mary Cave, daughter, age 16, domestic duties, born Lancashire, Halewood.
also, at the same address:
Ralph Brereton, lodger, age 15, apprentice cooper, birthplace not known.
Isabella Smith, age 33, Pawnbroker's wife, born Nottingham.
William A. Smith, age 3, born Liverpool.
Ann Hargreaves, general servant, born Lancashire, Kirkham.
1861 Census:
High Street, Wavertree.
Link to High Street, Wavertree at nls maps
Google map showing High Street, Wavertree.
James Cave, age 51, Wheelwright, born Childwall.
Ellen Cave, age 52, born Isle of Man.
Mary Cave, (Mother), age 80, widow, born Lancashire, Wavertree.
Thomas Cave, servant, (relationship unknown), age 18, born Lancashire, Childwall.
also, at the same address:
Ellen Toben, lodger, age 29, born Ireland.
Eliza Gonshagen, servant, age 17, born Ireland.
William Anson, age 57, born Blackpool.
Next door is a Blacksmiths and Wheelwright's shop.
Ellen Cave, age 52, born Isle of Man.
Mary Cave, (Mother), age 80, widow, born Lancashire, Wavertree.
Thomas Cave, servant, (relationship unknown), age 18, born Lancashire, Childwall.
also, at the same address:
Ellen Toben, lodger, age 29, born Ireland.
Eliza Gonshagen, servant, age 17, born Ireland.
William Anson, age 57, born Blackpool.
Next door is a Blacksmiths and Wheelwright's shop.
Death:
From the Liverpool Mercury, Saturday 19th December 1863:-
CAVE - December 15, age 53, Mr James Cave, High Street, Wavertree.
From the probate index:-
3rd April 1865.
The will of James Cave, late of Wavertree in the Parish of Childwall,
in the County of Lancaster, wheelwright, deceased, who died on 16th December 1863,
at Wavertree, aforesaid, was proved at Liverpool by the oath of Ellen Cave of High Street, Wavertree, the Relict, the sole Executrix.
Effects under £300.
Ellen died 4 years later.
From the Liverpool Mercury, Thursday March 21st, 1867:-
CAVE - March 18, at her residence, High Street, Wavertree, Ellen, relict of Mr James Cave, wheelwright.
Thomas Cave (1829 to 1885).
Cave family tree.In Brief:
In detail:
1841 Census
From the baptism register for Childwall:
Thomas Cave was born on 28th March 1829 and baptised on 5th April 1829.
His parents were James and Margaret Cave of Little Woolton? (difficult to read). His father an apprentice.
Thomas Cave was born on 28th March 1829 and baptised on 5th April 1829.
His parents were James and Margaret Cave of Little Woolton? (difficult to read). His father an apprentice.
1841 Census:
Halewood Green, Halewood, (Near Liverpool).
Link to Halewood Green at nls maps
Google map showing Halewood Green
James Cave, age 31, Wheelwright.
Thomas Cave, age 11.
Martha Cave, age 8.
Mary Cave, age 6.
Ellen Cave, age 16.
Mary Cave, age 57.
Thomas Cave, age 11.
Martha Cave, age 8.
Mary Cave, age 6.
Ellen Cave, age 16.
Mary Cave, age 57.
Thomas Cave's first marriage:
12th December 1847 at The Parish Church, Liverpool.
Link to Circus Street and Gerard Street at nls maps
Google map showing former position of Circus Street and Gerard Street
Thomas Cave, of full age, batchelor, Circus Street. Father: James Cave, wheelwright.
Anna Evans, of full age, spinster, Gerrard Street. Father: Peter Evans, farmer.
Witnesses: John Charlton, Esther ???
Anna Evans, of full age, spinster, Gerrard Street. Father: Peter Evans, farmer.
Witnesses: John Charlton, Esther ???
Thomas Cave's first children:
Margaret Cave (1848 - ),
[born on 16th November 1848, baptised on 17th December 1848, Childwall. (Thomas living in Little Woolton as a wheelwright.)]
Thomas Henry Cave (1850 - ),[born on 9th July 1850, baptised on 8th September 1850 at Childwall. Profession: printer. Married Elizabeth Jones on 7th August 1870 at St Peter, Liverpool. Died as a widower September Qtr 1911 in Mossley where he was a calico printer. ]
1851 Census:
132 Woods Terrace, Wavertree.
(NB. Just around the corner on High Street was the Wavertree Carriage Works).
Link to Woods Terrace, Wavertree at nls maps
Google map showing Woods Terrace.
Thomas Cave, age 22, Wheelwright, born Woolton, Lancashire.
Anna Cave, age 24, born Holywell, Wales. (Thomas' first wife, Anna Evans.)
Margaret Cave, age 2, born Wavertree.
Thomas Henry Cave, age 8 months, born Wavertree.
also,
Ann Williams, age 11, servant, born Halkyn, Wales.
John Jordan? age 30, labourer, born Ireland. (Hard to read, might easily be John Irlam or similar.)
Robert Kirkpatrick, age 38, labourer, born Ireland.
Anna Cave, age 24, born Holywell, Wales. (Thomas' first wife, Anna Evans.)
Margaret Cave, age 2, born Wavertree.
Thomas Henry Cave, age 8 months, born Wavertree.
also,
Ann Williams, age 11, servant, born Halkyn, Wales.
John Jordan? age 30, labourer, born Ireland. (Hard to read, might easily be John Irlam or similar.)
Robert Kirkpatrick, age 38, labourer, born Ireland.
Thomas' third child:
Mary Anna Cave (1853 - ),
[born on 27th July 1852, baptised on 5th September 1852, Childwall. (Thomas was living in Wavertree as a wheelwright.)]
Thomas moved to Bury, Lancashire, working as a wheelwright, where the next three children were born.
James Cave (1855 - ),
[born on 13th November 1854, baptised on 31st December 1854 at St Mary, Bury. (Surname written in the register as Kay.)
Married Matilda Houghton Hinds in 1879. Children: William (1880), Alice (1882), Ada (1884), Charley (1888), Annie (1892), Harry (1894), Lena (1898), James (1900)]
William Cave (1859 - ),[born on 13th October 1858, baptised on 17th December 1848 at St Mary, Bury.]
John Cave (1861 - )[born 7th January 1861, baptised 29th March 1861, St Mary, Bury]
1861 Census:
Cuckoo Hollow, Bury.
Link to Cuckoo Hollow, Bury at nls maps
Google map showing former position of Cuckoo Hollow.
Thomas Cave, age 32, Wheelwright, born Childwall.
Ann Cave, age 39, born Holywell, Wales.
Thomas Henry Cave, age 10, born Childwall.
Mary Ann Cave, age 8, born Childwall.
James Cave, age 6, born Bury, Lancashire.
John Cave, age 3 months, born Bury, Lancashire.
Ann Cave, age 39, born Holywell, Wales.
Thomas Henry Cave, age 10, born Childwall.
Mary Ann Cave, age 8, born Childwall.
James Cave, age 6, born Bury, Lancashire.
John Cave, age 3 months, born Bury, Lancashire.
Thomas and family returned to Liverpool and lived in Mount Vernon Green, Edge Hill, where their children, Margaret and Martha were born.
Margaret Ann Cave (1862 - 1937),
[born on 18th November 1862, baptised on 14th February 1863 at St Andrew, Toxteth Park. Married William Rimmer (1861 - 1933) on 3rd August 1884 at St Mary, Edge Hill, Liverpool.
Their children: Gertrude (1886 - ), William (1888 - ), Henry (1890 - ), Ethel (1892 - ), Arthur (1897 - 1898), Albert (1899 - ), John Arthur (1904 - ), Harold (1906 - ). Margaret Ann died in 1933.]
Martha Cave (1871 - 1919),[born on 20th June 1871, baptised on 20th August 1871 at St Peter, Liverpool. Married Charles Floyd (1867) on 11th October 1891 at St Peter, Liverpool.
Their children: Florence (1892 - ), Thomas (1893 - 1893), Albert William (1895 - ), Gertrude (1901 - ), Elizabeth Alice (1903 - ), Dora (1906 - 1907), Anna (1908 - ). Martha died in 1819. ]
1871 Census:
5 Back Mount Vernon Green, West Derby, Liverpool.
Link to Back Mount Vernon Green at nls maps
Google map showing position of Back Mount Vernon Green.
Thomas Cave, age 43, Wheelwright, born Lancashire.
Anna Cave, age 48, born Lancashire. !!
Mary A. Cave, age 18, born Lancashire.
James Cave, age 16, apprentice plumber and painter, born Lancashire.
William Cave, age 12, born Lancashire.
John Cave, age 10, born Lancashire.
Margaret Cave, age 7, born Lancashire.
Edward Denman?, lodger, age 23, Painter, born Denbighshire.
Anna Cave, age 48, born Lancashire. !!
Mary A. Cave, age 18, born Lancashire.
James Cave, age 16, apprentice plumber and painter, born Lancashire.
William Cave, age 12, born Lancashire.
John Cave, age 10, born Lancashire.
Margaret Cave, age 7, born Lancashire.
Edward Denman?, lodger, age 23, Painter, born Denbighshire.
Birth of Martha Cave, (Thomas and Anna's 8th child):
From Liverpool Mail, 24th June 1871:
Cave - June 21, at 5, Back Mount Vernon-Green, the wife of Mr. Thomas Cave, of a daughter.
Widowed:
From Liverpool Mercury, 21st December 1871:
Cave - December 19, at 5, Back Mount Vernon-green, aged 49, Anna, wife of Mr. Thomas Cave.
Thomas Cave's second marriage:
10th July 1872 at St Nicholas Church, Liverpool.
Link to Clarence Street at nls maps
Google map showing Clarence Street, Liverpool.
Thomas Cave, of full age, widower, wheelwright, of Hare Place. Father: James Cave, wheelwright.
Anna Jones, of full age, spinster, of Clarence Street. Father: John Jones, Farmer.
Witnesses: Edward Jones, Mary Jones.
Anna Jones, of full age, spinster, of Clarence Street. Father: John Jones, Farmer.
Witnesses: Edward Jones, Mary Jones.
Link to Hare Place, Liverpool at nls maps
Google map showing former position of Hare Place. Electoral Registers:
1870 and 1875: Thomas Cave was registered to vote at 5 Back Mount Vernon Green, Edge Hill.
Thomas Cave's children with second wife, Anna Jones.
Elizabeth Cave (1873 - ),
[born on 30th April 1873, baptised on 13th July 1873 at St Peter, Liverpool. Married to George Henry Card on 13th April 1913 at St Nicholas, Liverpool.]
Albert Cave (1875 - ), [born on 12th January 1875, baptised on 14th February 1875 at St Peter, Liverpool.]
Walter Cave (1877 to 1951),
[husband of Florence Wright (1884 to 1918), and then Margaret Hand (1883 - ). ]
Alexander Cave (1879 - ), [baptised on 22nd October 1879 at St James, Toxteth. ]
Herbert Cave (1882 - ), [birth registered in the last quarter 1881 in Toxteth Park.]
1881 Census:
1 House 5 court Rankin Street, South Toxteth, Liverpool.
Rankin Street, South Toxteth, Liverpool at nls maps
Google map showing former position of Rankin Street.
Thomas Cave, age 57, Joiner, born Woolton.
Ann Cave, age 34, born Wales. (Thomas' second wife, Anna Jones.)
Martha Cave, age 10, born Liverpool.
Albert Cave, age 6, born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 3, born Liverpool.
Alexander Cave, age 2, born Liverpool.
Ann Cave, age 34, born Wales. (Thomas' second wife, Anna Jones.)
Martha Cave, age 10, born Liverpool.
Albert Cave, age 6, born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 3, born Liverpool.
Alexander Cave, age 2, born Liverpool.
Thomas Cave's death:
1885.
GRO Reference: CAVE, THOMAS: Age 56, 1885, March Quarter in LIVERPOOL. Volume 08B Page 149.
1891 Census:
Thomas Cave's widow and family are living at 66 Walnut Street, Liverpool.
Walnut Street, Liverpool at nls maps
Google map showing former position of Walnut Street.
Hanna Cave, (widow), age 47, charwoman, born Flint, Flintshire.
Albert Cave, age 16, errand boy (port), born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 13, office boy (port), born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 7, born Liverpool.
Albert Cave, age 16, errand boy (port), born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 13, office boy (port), born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 7, born Liverpool.
Alexander had died, aged 12, in 1879 and was buried in Toxteth Park Cemetery.
1901 Census:
46 Bamber Street Liverpool.
Bamber Street, Liverpool at nls maps
Google map showing former position of Bamber Street.
Albert Cave, age 26, ship's steward, born Liverpool.
Anna, Clark!! age 57, domestic housekeeper, born N Wales, Halkyn, (Flint).
Walter Cave, age 23, manager bread and flour shop, born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 19, ship's steward, born Liverpool.
Anna, Clark!! age 57, domestic housekeeper, born N Wales, Halkyn, (Flint).
Walter Cave, age 23, manager bread and flour shop, born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 19, ship's steward, born Liverpool.
Who was Anna Clark?
She doesn't exist!
She was Thomas's widow, Anna Cave née Jones, mother of Albert, Walter and Herbert, and this is simply a mistake by the enumerator
(She was variously named as Ann, Anne, Hannah on the censuses.)
Thomas Cave married Anna Jones, not Clark. His marriage certificate clearly states "Anna Jones, of full age, spinster, of Clarence Street. Father: John Jones, Farmer.
Her children, Elizabeth, Albert, Walter, Alexander and Herbert, were all registered to a mother with the maiden name "Jones"; (the following copied directly from General Register Office (GRO) website.)
She doesn't exist!
She was Thomas's widow, Anna Cave née Jones, mother of Albert, Walter and Herbert, and this is simply a mistake by the enumerator
(She was variously named as Ann, Anne, Hannah on the censuses.)
Thomas Cave married Anna Jones, not Clark. His marriage certificate clearly states "Anna Jones, of full age, spinster, of Clarence Street. Father: John Jones, Farmer.
Her children, Elizabeth, Albert, Walter, Alexander and Herbert, were all registered to a mother with the maiden name "Jones"; (the following copied directly from General Register Office (GRO) website.)
CAVE, ELIZABETH JONES GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 498
CAVE, ALBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 540
CAVE, WALTER JONES GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 385
CAVE, ALEXANDER JONES GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in WEST DERBY & TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 225
CAVE, HERBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 271
It is disappointing to see so many public trees on Ancestry where people have Anna Clark, complete with photo attached, listed as wife of Thomas Cave
and the mother of these five children, despite also presenting evidence to the contrary. When one person makes a mistake it spreads like a disease.
CAVE, ALBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 540
CAVE, WALTER JONES GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 385
CAVE, ALEXANDER JONES GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in WEST DERBY & TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 225
CAVE, HERBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 271
Anna's Death.
Anna died in the summer of 1908.
CAVE Anna, age 62, West Derby 8b 387.
Walter Cave (1877 - 1951).
Cave Family Tree Diagram.In Brief:
In detail:
Walter's Birth, (from certificate).
Devonshire Place, Everton at nls maps
Google map showing Devonshire Place, Everton.
15th May 1877, 41 Devonshire Place, Everton.
Father: Thomas Cave, joiner.
Mother: Anna Cave formerly, Jones of 41 Devonshire Place, Everton.
Registered on 18th June 1877.
Father: Thomas Cave, joiner.
Mother: Anna Cave formerly, Jones of 41 Devonshire Place, Everton.
Registered on 18th June 1877.
Walter's baptism, from the parish register of Liverpool Parish Church, St Peter:
13th August 1877.
Father: Thomas Cave, joiner, living in Everton.
Mother: Anna Cave.
Father: Thomas Cave, joiner, living in Everton.
Mother: Anna Cave.
1881 Census:
1 House, 5 court, Rankin Street, South Toxteth, Liverpool.
Rankin Street, South Toxteth, Liverpool at nls maps
Google map showing former position of Rankin Street.
Thomas Cave, age 57, Joiner, born Woolton.
Ann Cave, age 34, born Wales, (Thomas' second wife, Anna Jones).
Martha Cave, age 10, born Liverpool.
Albert Cave, age 6, born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 3, born Liverpool.
Alexander Cave, age 2, born Liverpool.
Ann Cave, age 34, born Wales, (Thomas' second wife, Anna Jones).
Martha Cave, age 10, born Liverpool.
Albert Cave, age 6, born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 3, born Liverpool.
Alexander Cave, age 2, born Liverpool.
1891 Census:
66 Walnut Street, Liverpool.
Walnut Street, Liverpool at nls maps
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Hanna Cave,(widow), age 47, charwoman, born Flint, Flintshire.
Albert Cave, age 16, errand boy (port), born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 13, office boy (port), born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 7, born Liverpool.
Albert Cave, age 16, errand boy (port), born Liverpool.
Walter Cave, age 13, office boy (port), born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 7, born Liverpool.
1901 Census:
46 Bamber Street, Liverpool.
Bamber Street, Liverpool at nls maps
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Albert Cave, age 26, ship's steward, born Liverpool.
Anna Clark!! age 57, domestic housekeeper, born N Wales, Halkyn, (Flint).
Walter Cave, age 23, manager bread and flour shop, born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 19, ship's steward, born Liverpool.
Anna Clark!! age 57, domestic housekeeper, born N Wales, Halkyn, (Flint).
Walter Cave, age 23, manager bread and flour shop, born Liverpool.
Herbert Cave, age 19, ship's steward, born Liverpool.
Who was Anna Clark?
She didn't exist!
She was Thomas's widow, Anna Cave née Jones, mother of Albert, Walter and Herbert, and this is simply a mistake by the enumerator
(She was variously named as Ann, Anne, Hannah on the censuses.)
Thomas Cave married Anna Jones, not Clark. His marriage certificate clearly states "Anna Jones, of full age, spinster, of Clarence Street. Father: John Jones, Farmer.
Her children, Elizabeth, Albert, Walter, Alexander and Herbert, were all registered to a mother with the maiden name "Jones"; (the following copied directly from General Register Office (GRO) website.)
She didn't exist!
She was Thomas's widow, Anna Cave née Jones, mother of Albert, Walter and Herbert, and this is simply a mistake by the enumerator
(She was variously named as Ann, Anne, Hannah on the censuses.)
Thomas Cave married Anna Jones, not Clark. His marriage certificate clearly states "Anna Jones, of full age, spinster, of Clarence Street. Father: John Jones, Farmer.
Her children, Elizabeth, Albert, Walter, Alexander and Herbert, were all registered to a mother with the maiden name "Jones"; (the following copied directly from General Register Office (GRO) website.)
CAVE, ELIZABETH JONES GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 498
CAVE, ALBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 540
CAVE, WALTER JONES GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 385
CAVE, ALEXANDER JONES GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in WEST DERBY & TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 225
CAVE, HERBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 271
It is disappointing to see so many public trees on Ancestry where people have Anna Clark, complete with photo attached, listed as wife of Thomas Cave
and the mother of these five children, despite also presenting evidence to the contrary. When one person makes a mistake it spreads like a disease.
CAVE, ALBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 540
CAVE, WALTER JONES GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 385
CAVE, ALEXANDER JONES GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in WEST DERBY & TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 225
CAVE, HERBERT JONES GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 271
Electoral Register 1904 to 1905:
Walter's brother, Albert Cave, is registered to vote at 46 Bamber Street.
Walter's first marriage:
16th February 1908. St Andrew, Litherland.
Lawler Street and Hinton Street at nls maps
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Walter Cave, age 28, bachelor, steward, 27 Lawler Street. Father: Thomas Cave, joiner.
Florence Wright, age 23, spinster, 52 Hinton Street. Father: John Wright, Rack? Keeper.
Witnesses: Andrew Spencer, Susannah Wright, (Florence's sister).
Florence Wright, age 23, spinster, 52 Hinton Street. Father: John Wright, Rack? Keeper.
Witnesses: Andrew Spencer, Susannah Wright, (Florence's sister).
1911 Census:
20 Keats Street, Liverpool.
Keats Street at nls maps
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Walter Cave, age 30, ship's steward, born Liverpool.
Florence Cave, age 27, born Falmouth, Cornwall.
The marriage had lasted 3 years and 1 child had been produced, still living.
Walter Cave, age 1 year 4 months, born Liverpool.
also:
Elizabeth Hague, boarder, age 28, married for 5 years with no children. Born London, Middlesex.
Florence Cave, age 27, born Falmouth, Cornwall.
The marriage had lasted 3 years and 1 child had been produced, still living.
Walter Cave, age 1 year 4 months, born Liverpool.
also:
Elizabeth Hague, boarder, age 28, married for 5 years with no children. Born London, Middlesex.
Florence Cave, (née Wright), died in the summer of 1918.
CAVE, FLORENCE GRO Reference: 1918, Age 34, September Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 375.
Walter's second marriage:
28th September 1919, All Saints Church, Great Nelson Street, Liverpool.
Prince Edwin Street at nls maps
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Walter Cave, age 42, widower, dock Labourer, 17 Prince Edwin Street. Father: Thomas Cave (deceased), joiner.
Margaret Hand, age 35, spinster, 11 Prince Edwin Street. Father: John Hand, Cotton Porter.
Witnesses: Harry Robinson and Esther Hand.
Margaret Hand, age 35, spinster, 11 Prince Edwin Street. Father: John Hand, Cotton Porter.
Witnesses: Harry Robinson and Esther Hand.
1921 Census:
29 Hector Street, Kirkdale.
Hector Street at nls maps
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Walter Cave, age 44, cotton porter, born Liverpool.
Margaret Cave, age 37, wife, born Liverpool
George Hand, step son, age 16, apprentice locksmith, born Liverpool
Walter Cave, son, age 11, born Liverpool
Albert Cave, son, age 5, born Liverool
John Cave, son, age 2 months, born Liverpool
Margaret Cave, age 37, wife, born Liverpool
George Hand, step son, age 16, apprentice locksmith, born Liverpool
Walter Cave, son, age 11, born Liverpool
Albert Cave, son, age 5, born Liverool
John Cave, son, age 2 months, born Liverpool
Electoral Register
Hector Street at nls maps
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1920 and 1925: Walter Cave and Margaret Cave are registered to vote at 29 Hector Street, Bootle.
1934 to 1935: Walter Cave, Margaret Cave, Walter Cave Jnr. and George Hand (Margaret's son) are registered to vote at 29 Hector Street.
1939 to 1940: Walter Cave, Margaret Cave and George Hand are registered to vote at 29 Hector Street.
1934 to 1935: Walter Cave, Margaret Cave, Walter Cave Jnr. and George Hand (Margaret's son) are registered to vote at 29 Hector Street.
1939 to 1940: Walter Cave, Margaret Cave and George Hand are registered to vote at 29 Hector Street.
1939 Register
Walter was at sea on the date of the register, 29th September, but his wife Margaret is found at 29 Hector Street, Bootle.
Electoral Registers 1945:
Walter Cave and Margaret Cave are registered to vote at 13 Pendleton Road, Walton, along with:
George Hand, Albert Cave and his wife Madge, (née Kenna), and John Cave.
George Hand, Albert Cave and his wife Madge, (née Kenna), and John Cave.
Electoral Register 1950:
Walter Cave and Margaret Cave are registered to vote at 13 Pendleton Road, Walton, along with:
George Hand, (Margaret's son), and James Hand (Margaret's brother).
George Hand, (Margaret's son), and James Hand (Margaret's brother).
Walter's death, from certificate:
Pendleton Road at nls maps
Google map showing 13 Pendleton Road.
2nd November 1951, at 107 Rice Lane.
Walter Cave, Age 74, of 13 Pendleton Road, retired Merchant Seaman,
Cause of death: saddle embolism of the aorta.
Informant: M. Cave, widow of the deceased.
Walter was buried on 7th November 1951 at Anfield Cemetery.
Walter Cave, Age 74, of 13 Pendleton Road, retired Merchant Seaman,
Cause of death: saddle embolism of the aorta.
Informant: M. Cave, widow of the deceased.
Walter was buried on 7th November 1951 at Anfield Cemetery.
Death of Walter's widow, Margaret:
Margaret's death was recorded in the register in the September quarter of 1965.
CAVE Margaret, Age 81, LIVERPOOL NORTH. 10D 226.
Margaret was buried on 25th August 1965 at Anfield Cemetery, in the same grave as her late husband, Walter.